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Ahh well, I dont know how to speak any of those languages, lol. (nor did I imply that I could)

Sorry, I skimmed through the thread and the person that posted that article made it seem like to me that the language was in Russian.

Well, ethier way, it was interesting information when I read ...

This article seems to think so. I think it even has a short except on hand-to-hand combat.

http://www.uni-wuerzburg.de/kriegsbild/fg53.htm

If you can't read Russian, there is a discussion on another forum about the article here:
http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid ...

Strange.......

Im getting an error when I try to open the file. Anyone else having this problem?

Hmm...I never meant to imply that they were sophisticated. I just said if they had wrestling 15,000 years ago they would have had plenty of time to develop it into a system before Pankration, recorded or not. Ive just heard from multiple sources that the origins of wrestling can be found in the cave ...

Thanks!

Personally I think it would be a great promotional video for European Med./Ren. Martial arts.

Hahahaa!

Well, I dont know HOW complex it was 15000 years ago, but it was the earliest recorded source of wrestling as far as I know. Im sure the Europeans had 12000 more years to make a system before Pankration. I believe martial arts in most cultures is much older then we give it credit for ...

If anything, the origins of European Martial arts probably come from the cave drawings found in France, showing that there was a systematic form of fighting well before contact with non-Europeans, proabably well before anyone else had one.

Ive heard in some websites that there is a possibility that Savate owes its origins to the kicking arts in Asia, when French sailors brought back techniques they had seen in the Orient, is this true?

"Clearly the Egyptians had sophisticated wrestling techniques, linking them in lineage is very difficult however. Pankration is at least 2000 - 3000 years old and its influence is surely made its mark on many of the folk wrestlings around Europe, but the real question is how much of an influence ...

Hey, I was wondering if anyone could link a video where Mr. Clements won the Sep '94 U.S. National Kung Fu tournement. I'm surprised there is not one on the net.

I heard the same thing, someone recently suggested that the Europeans copied the Japanesse Kenjitsu techniques. He went on to say thats when thats how the 2 handed longsword came about. Well if I recall correctly the earliest known longsword dates back to 1240, several decades before Marco Polo's ...

So is Fiore the only reference to a single handed sword not used with a buckler? (the double bladed one, not the messer, rapier, etc) Because Fiore doesnt seem to have a great wealth of material, and from the diagrams it looks like hes just using a longsword with one hand. If someone has another ...

Hey, anyone from Charlotte, NC looking for a person to practice/spar with? Or anyone aware of a group within the city that Im not aware of?

Thanks

Hans von Speyer mean when he mentioned Short Sword?