hanging guard and ochs

[Shawn Cathcart]

I'm basically referring to a displacement using hengen. Such as in Ringeck when he explains one of the ways to do a displacement from Krumphau, dropping the tip into schrankhut.

you need to be sure to go straight up when you do kron that and angle the tip away from you, if you turn your blade to the side it will meet edge on edge and knick the edge, your edge should slide up his flat and vice verse.

I see a couple different ways to get into Kron. The first being stifling a cut as you describe, the second being from the bind and simple closing with a move of your hilt up into Kron. In both cases it would be on the strong and you wouldn't push out obviously until you had bound the blade. This has the effect of protecting the edge more, but I think the real advantage is that it makes sure you have a bind in Kron, so that should you go to wind your hilt around his blade, you actually have contact on it. I've found if you do this too quickly without making sure you've bound the blade, you'll miss it.

[JeffGentry]

Hey Shawn

he first being stifling a cut as you describe, the second being from the bind and simple closing with a move of your hilt up into Kron. In both cases it would be on the strong and you wouldn't push out obviously until you had bound the blade.

that is how i use it too you just need to be aware in the beginning, I only metion that because i have seen some with a waster start to turn the edge up a little early, it is a little scary to use kron a waster coming straight down at your head and all.


Jeff

[Shane Smith]

that is how i use it too you just need to be aware in the beginning, I only metion that because i have seen some with a waster start to turn the edge up a little early, it is a little scary to use kron a waster coming straight down at your head and all.

Tilt your blade about 22 1/2 degrees to your right and forward a bit when you perform the Kron against a cut to your left and your fear will go away immediately.(This allows your blade to cover your whole shoulder-width) <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> Anywhere the cut strikes your blade,it will slide down that 22 1/2 degree angle and into your crossguard.Tilt left if he cuts your right. I cannot substantiate this from the source-texts but I know for certain that it works.Take that for what little it may be worth <img src="/forum/images/icons/cool.gif" alt="" />

[JeffGentry]

Hey Shane

if your blade is tilted to either side right or left is what i meant, that is how Jaron nicked the edge of his Sempach, he tilted the tip to his right and went edge on edge.

[Shane Smith]

Was he catching the blade at the forte as is to be preferred? As I perform this,my blade is held at an axial 45 degree angle and their blade strikes my forte at a 45 degree angle as well. It is not a direct opposition parry on-edge.

[JeffGentry]

Hey Shane

Was he catching the blade at the forte as is to be preferred?

Yes he was at a 45 or there about, i didn't have a compass at the time so it is just a guess, lol, it is like cutting limb's off a tree if they are at an angle the axe tend's to bite better, i go straight up with mine i use no angle, just seemed natural to me like throwing up my hand's in front of my face like i am trying to catch his sword.

As I perform this,my blade is held at an axial 45 degree angle and their blade strikes my forte at a 45 degree angle as well. It is not a direct opposition parry on-edge.

we need to clarify the strike's being thrown because this is not a good statement in that 45 and 45 egual's 90, so if this were an ober against kron it would result in edge on edge which is what happened to Jaron, 45's to the ricasso(that is the same as forte right?) it will nick the ricasso and bounce to the gaurd, it is still a nick, i try to go up as straight as i can and catch were the gaurd and blade meet if i use any angle and i try not to angle it, in my mind it is a matter of concentration.


Jeff

[Shane Smith]

I prefer to be sure of the catch as opposed to worrying about a minor nick at the forte although a 90 degree stop does not occur as I do it. I guess it's easier demonstrated than explained. <img src="/forum/images/icons/tongue.gif" alt="" />

PS If anyone is using a sharp for this kind of drilling work in training,they have larger problems that worrying over the condition of their swords cosmetics <img src="/forum/images/icons/wink.gif" alt="" /> . I forget where,but I read a post wherein an enthusiast damaged his sharps edge doing steel on steel drills <img src="/forum/images/icons/shocked.gif" alt="" />

[JeffGentry]

Hey Shane

That was me and Jaron, that is what i was talking about, lol, That was the nick i was talking about, and demonstrating is much easier than describing you may be doing something i am not getting from the description.

We were actualy doing like Hangin parry, and we did kron, we went at maybe quarter speed, it realy sharpen's (lol i couldn't resist) your concentration, kowing a sharp is coming at you is a whole new game knowing if you screw up it is going to be very bad, i don't mind doing individual technigue's slow with a sharp and someone i trust.

Jeff

[John_Clements]

You can actually do a hanging-point parry so that you can then immediately strike down with the short edge or the long edge, diagonally or horizontally.

JC