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John... the reviews on Amazon.com of Clements's two books on medieval & Renaissance martial arts. Many of the reviews are negative in a way that seems downright hostile.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that. With all due respect to mister Clements, those books were two of the best books on the market when they were published, and they were very valuable in promoting WMA early on. Today, there are many more published works on historic swordsmanship than there were back then, and the there has been so much research done since then, that there are much better books, even for beginners, than Clements' MS and RS. That's not a criticism of his work per se; given that the WMA community is progressing, it's perfectly normal that newer books would be better than older ones.Clements' books are still two of the best books on the market, especially to people new to these arts.
Mr. McBrayer, nobody who posts on this site will dare to make the claim that judo doesn't work in combat. In fact, those knowledgeable about ringen, or Medieval German combat wrestling, will tell you that in many respects it is indistinguishable from judo or, more acurately, koryu jujutsu, the proper name for traditional Japanese jujutsu. I personally know of people who have successfully used techniques from the judo toolbox in real fights, some against armed attackers. It's real, it works, and you can bet your life on it -- as have many men in the past when they faced mortal peril.Based on my reading at this site, I gather than sport fencers may take offense. I understand that: many say that judo is useless since it's a sport, and yet those same people never explain why wrestlers, who practice a sport, so rarely lose fist fights. But having known a former soldier of the 82nd airborn who, when his buddies went out for a paintball battle, had his ass handed to him by a bunch of kids, I understand that weapons don't translate from sport to battle. (FTR, he and his buddies went out again, adjusted for the wimpiness of the paintball guns, and cleaned house.) The difference between touché and a bonifide stabbing is enough to change tactics considerably, and that's not considering the difference in the tools.
I'm not interested in petty nonsense, that's not why I'm posting this. I'm wondering if there's a substantive debate that's been hidden in the vitriol. And if so, I'm curious about what it is.
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Please check your attributions: your message doesn't seem to be in response to mine, and your quote is from the thread starter, Mr. Hull.Mr. McBrayer, nobody who posts on this site will dare to make the claim that judo doesn't work in combat.
Oops. I stand corrected.Please check your attributions: your message doesn't seem to be in response to mine, and your quote is from the thread starter, Mr. Hull.Mr. McBrayer, nobody who posts on this site will dare to make the claim that judo doesn't work in combat.
It was an illustration through analogy, which I raised because the so-called distinction raises so much vitriol in the things I do know. Also, FYI, (note that I don't know how to link to a specific post) judo viz. traditional jiu-jitsu is a quite valid issue of debate. (It's an issue of physics and mechanics, which I'll be happy to discuss if you want to start a thread for it.)[Me ^_^], nobody who posts on this site will dare to make the claim that judo doesn't work in combat.
A few? Heh. You'll notice that there's a reviewer of "Renaissance MA" by an eastern MA person that is sobering and balanced. Absent his or her review, I would have been very wary, indeed.
There are indeed a few hostile negative reviews John Clements' books. However, the vast majority of readers have loved his books and have found them very informative. Clements' books are still two of the best books on the market, especially to people new to these arts. .... Members of ARMA have long ago learned to just overlook those few sad people who are openly hostile to John Clements and ARMA.
Mr. Hull:Edit: I don't know why that second quote won't work.
It was an illustration through analogy, which I raised because the so-called distinction raises so much vitriol in the things I do know. Also, FYI, (note that I don't know how to link to a specific post) judo viz. traditional jiu-jitsu is a quite valid issue of debate. (It's an issue of physics and mechanics, which I'll be happy to discuss if you want to start a thread for it.)[Me ^_^], nobody who posts on this site will dare to make the claim that judo doesn't work in combat.
A few? Heh. You'll notice that there's a reviewer of "Renaissance MA" by an eastern MA person that is sobering and balanced. Absent his or her review, I would have been very wary, indeed.
There are indeed a few hostile negative reviews John Clements' books. However, the vast majority of readers have loved his books and have found them very informative. Clements' books are still two of the best books on the market, especially to people new to these arts. .... Members of ARMA have long ago learned to just overlook those few sad people who are openly hostile to John Clements and ARMA.
I'm a guy into science and logic, and I know some fights aren't worth bothering with. Just like Duane Gish can "prove" that evolution is not a fact, I can "prove" that planes can't fly. In the same way, people can "prove" that Clements couldn't find his rump with two rapiers. But, by starting my posts here and by buying Clements's books, I've established my bona fides in terms of what he's got to offer.
If there's nothing more than the moral equivalent than Duane Gish vs. Gould, then that's fine. But, is there something to the dispute that's interesting to a novice?
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